It’s sad to see “loser” acts like a loser… He/She must be really against Korea and Koreans.

It’s also sad to hear that Gerry Bever has wasted “a few years” on this issue.
I’m wondering if he really spent “a few years” studying this issue. If he did, then I really feel sorry for him. I must admit that I haven’t researched for “years” on this. But, believing that the United States has all correct information and data is ridiculously funny.

One thing I can say to you, Gerry, is that there’s controversy about Dokdo being 우산도 even in Korea, but that’s not the whole story, which I’m not going to talk about. In short, even those Koreans who say that Ulleungdo, not Dokdo, was 우산도 have evidence that Dokdo was part of 우산국 (국 means nation/country), which was the old name for Ulleungdo.

Anyway, Matt…
Whether you believe all this or not, I must say thanks for all your interest and attention on this issue. It’s always interesting to see third persons showing ineterest in this issue.

magna est veritas et praevalebit

Gerry Bevers :
Matt,
All of Korea’s historical claims on Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks) are false. Koreans had never traveled to the island until the Japanese started taking them there on Japanese fishing boats in the early 1900s. The name “Dokdo” only came into existence in the early 1900s, after the Japanese fishing boats started taking Koreans to the islets. In fact, the first Koreans to the islets used the Japanese name for them.
Korea has no old maps of Dokdo, under any name. Koreans claim that Usando (우산도) was the old Korean name for Dokdo, but Korea’s old maps show that Usando was the old name for Ulleungdo’s neighboring island of Jukdo (죽도), which is Ulleungdo’s largest neighboring island and only two kilometers off Ulleungdo’s east shore.
There are two or three references in Korean history to an unnamed island that could be seen in the distance from the mountains of Ulleungdo, but the references suggested that the island was Japanese territory.
After Korea was “liberated” at the end of World War II, President Rhee Syngman started claiming Dokdo was Korean territory, hoping to get as much territory as possible from a defeated Japan. President Rhee even claimed Tsushima (Daemado) was Korean territory, even though Korean maps of Japan throughout history showed Tsushima to be Japanese territory. However, the United States rejected Korean claims on both Tsushima and Dokdo. Concerning Dokdo, US Secretary of State Dean Rusk sent a letter to the Korean ambassador saying the following:
“As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks, this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiciton of the Oki Islands Branch of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea….”
I would advise you not to get too involved in promoting Dokdo. I have been studying this issue for a few years and am absolutely convinced that Korea has no historical claim to Dokdo.

Dean Rusk was lobbied by the Japan Foreign Office with pamphlets regarding Takeshima. He wasn’t even a historian, so why should that matter?

Btw, if you’re not satisfied with that knol and want to read more, I can send you 20MB’s worth of PDF’s & htmls’s & doc’s by western, Korean, and Japanese scholars against Japan’s claims.

-Comfort women? “Never coerced. They asked for it.”
-Forced labor, torture, and confiscation of lands during imperial rule? “Koreans paid less taxes, the population rose considerably after colonization, and the Japanese laid out railroads (thx so much).”
-Dokdo? “A new name in the 19th century.” (so wat? doesn’t mean anything)
-Hideki Kajimura? “Oh someone who agrees with the Korean side” (duh. wat about Yoji Hosaka? Naito Seitsu? Kazuo Hori? Soji Takasaki?)

See the records – how Japan has consistently been the side that distorts history. Explain to me, “loser” (nice try to make me look like a troll; you might as well call yourself “no one” like Odysseus) & also Gerry Bever; why is it that there have been Japanese academics who have sided with Korea regarding Dokdo, but never Koreans? Why is it that the western academics who have looked into this issue have sided with Korea but never Japan?

Can you actually make direct clash with the arguments provided by the pro-Korean side? Numberous Japanese maps that show Dokdo as Korean territory?

(Bevers will say either 1) the “Dokdo” is Jukdo b/c of its shape & distance (but Dokdo is visible from Ulleungdo and looks like 1 single island) or 2) it is an argonaut quite near the Korean coastline (which doesn’t make sense b/c the British map clearly marks Liancourt Rocks & there was confusion over the Japanese naming to begin with, since Matsushima was called Takeshima and Takeshima Matsushima))

Regardless of in what ways he cast these evidences, the only fact is that academics from the west and also Japan have not adopted Bever’s skillfully maneuvered and well-theorized assertions.

Just read this knol, Matt.

http://knol.google.com/k/byeongju-park/why-is-dokdo-a-korean-island-and/2zvfgrgyend5c/15#

The fact remains that belief that Takeshima = Japanese territory was first created during 1952 to 1954.

현세계는 경제적인 것이 모든것을 좌우하죠.

경제력이 없다면

내 나라, 내 언어도 지킬 수 없는 시대이지요…

백두산 또한 중국에서 유네스코 문화유산으로 등록했다지요..

한국이 일본 식민지하에 있을적 일본정부의 앞잡이 노릇을 하던 한국인의 자손들이

지금의 한국 정치판에서 버젓이 활동하고 있습니다..다수죠..

정치적인 얘기를 하자면 끝이 없을거 같네요..

서방세계들의 보이지 않는 침탈야욕이 그것에 한몫했죠..

..

참으로 가슴아픈 일들이 한국에서 벌어지고 있습니다.

한국뿐만이 아니라 힘없는 세계곳곳의 나라에서 벌어지고 있는 일이겠지요.

.. 씁쓸하네요…

모든 이들이 행복해 하는 날은 오지 않는 걸까요..

All of Korea’s historical claims on Dokdo (Liancourt Rocks) are false. Koreans had never traveled to the island until the Japanese started taking them there on Japanese fishing boats in the early 1900s. The name “Dokdo” only came into existence in the early 1900s, after the Japanese fishing boats started taking Koreans to the islets. In fact, the first Koreans to the islets used the Japanese name for them.

Korea has no old maps of Dokdo, under any name. Koreans claim that Usando (우산도) was the old Korean name for Dokdo, but Korea’s old maps show that Usando was the old name for Ulleungdo’s neighboring island of Jukdo (죽도), which is Ulleungdo’s largest neighboring island and only two kilometers off Ulleungdo’s east shore.

There are two or three references in Korean history to an unnamed island that could be seen in the distance from the mountains of Ulleungdo, but the references suggested that the island was Japanese territory.

After Korea was “liberated” at the end of World War II, President Rhee Syngman started claiming Dokdo was Korean territory, hoping to get as much territory as possible from a defeated Japan. President Rhee even claimed Tsushima (Daemado) was Korean territory, even though Korean maps of Japan throughout history showed Tsushima to be Japanese territory. However, the United States rejected Korean claims on both Tsushima and Dokdo. Concerning Dokdo, US Secretary of State Dean Rusk sent a letter to the Korean ambassador saying the following:

“As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks, this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiciton of the Oki Islands Branch of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea….”

I would advise you not to get too involved in promoting Dokdo. I have been studying this issue for a few years and am absolutely convinced that Korea has no historical claim to Dokdo.

Soju generally has around 150% more alcohol than beer. But of course other alcohols have way more than that, though oddly enough I find that whiskey and vodka, which are both 80-proof, have different strengths.

@loser

I’m not finding anything that says stevioside is toxic. In fact I’m only finding sites that say it’s safe to consume. Can you link me to a reliable source that says it’s toxic?

Besides, Jinro sucks. 처음 처럼 is where it’s at. Or even better, get some Pusan soju.

Soju in the US is OK. It is just watered down vodka. It is slightly diffeent the the crud they sell in Koera. In korea to get that sweet bitter after flaver they add stevioside. Stevioside can’t be mixed with alchol in the US, and thank god for that, because it is toxic. But in Korea where they are trying to show the world their “unique food culture”, they can and do add it.

Why is it used? Because it is super cheep. Korea is one of only two countries in the world to add it to booze. And they add it the most. Yuck.

The Korean FDA knows it is toxic, but they dont care, because it is cheep. By the way, Jinro adds the most. Jinro even brags about it on their website.

I’m partial to 사물놀이. I can play the 장구 (the one that requires two arms) pretty well for someone who only took weekly classes for a semester but I just don’t think the drums sound all that great when played in a traditional fashion. But I did see a killer performance live once, and the 장구 played was nuts. He made me want to learn to play the 장구. lol

Also you thought soju was strong? What other alcohols have you had? Was the soju chilled? It tastes similar to water when it’s cold enough.

Try this blog.

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/

By the way, that quote that chunbum posted comes from Hideki Kajimura. He is just an academic version of Norimitsu Onishi. I am sure you are clueless as to who that is.